Wednesday, October 30, 2013

FB Group "Kick Butt Liberals" Kicks My Butt

I was kicked off of a "liberal Facebook page today because I objected to a "joke" which I believe promoted rape culture and considered offensive

Here is the exchange (I have deleted posts which addressed the other political content of the thread.)

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David Allen
******GOOD MORNING FELLOW BUTT-KICKERS******

Today is Wednesday. It’s Hump Day. So feel free to hump the co-worker of your choice.

Okay, I know. It’s an old joke. But I think it’s still a good one. 

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From the admin team at Kick Butt Liberals. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!

David Allen 
Kathy Harbaugh 
Maxine Levy
Bill Pelland
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[Note the attempt at a polite tone]
Bob Walker @David Allen >>Okay, I know. It’s an old joke. But I think it’s still a good one.

Ahhhh, I'm not so sure. It has a suggestion that non-consensual sex is OK - aka "rape culture.

I hope you'll reconsider your take on this one. (Not too long ago, I would have agreed with you, but hanging with feminists, including my daughters, has been a great education.)

2 hours ago · Like
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David Allen Sigh...it's a joke. If I ever get so bloody PC that I can't take a joke, then wrap me in my shroud. I'm dead.

I have no intention of offending anyone, but the only way to be certain not to offend ANYONE is to not talk at all.
about an hour ago via mobile · Like · 1
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Bob Walker @David Allen >>Sigh...it's a joke.

If it is a joke, it sure as hell isn't funny. And this isn't a matter of "PC" - this is a matter of promoting or objecting to rape culture

If you happen to work in either of the offices my daughters work in, I'll encourage them to castrate you. On a Wednesday only, of course.

Only joking..... Right?
about an hour ago · Like
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David Allen Bob,. I am currently on a cell phone, & I cannot p.m.. So I am going to tell you exactly like it is here now. nowhere in there joke was there even a hint that sex was going to be non consensual. You are whining over something that doesn't exist.

if you have a problem with the way I, or any other admin posts, then you may feel free to leave.
about an hour ago via mobile · Edited · Like · 2
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Bob Walker @David Allen >>nowhere in there joke was there even a hint that sex was going to be non consensual.

What about "So feel free to hump the co-worker of your choice." In case you missed it: "YOUR choice."

40 minutes ago · Edited · Like
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Bill Pelland Bob Walker It is time to let it go. It is obvious you do not care for the joke. On KBL we allow (even encourage) humor. Not all our members think all jokes are humorous - so be it. There was much in David Allen's post of value politically speaking and that is what this page is about. I strongly suggest you concentrate on that portion of David's post!
35 minutes ago · Like · 2
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Bob Walker >>It is obvious you do not care for the joke. 

Promoting the rape culture of today isn't a joke

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>>& I cannot p.m..

I believe this discussion should be held in the light of day for all to see.

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>>if you have a problem with the way I, or any other admin posts, then you may feel free to leave.

I happen to like this group. But I think your "joke" was, at best, in poor taste. If you have a problem with my disagreeing with you, feel free to ban me.

But if you do so, consider just how liberal you really are.

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And perhaps you might consider consulting with the other moderators.

If they all agree with you that "it's just a joke," please let me know because I will want to leave..
21 minutes ago · Like
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Bob Walker I'm curious as to what the other administrators think: Maxine Levy, Kathy Harbaugh, Bill Pelland. 

Note: "On Oct 21,2013 (9 days ago) David Allen became the 4th admin at Kick Butt Liberals."
17 minutes ago · Like
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Bill Pelland Bob Walker- I am an admin and the only other one online. I sent you a personal message which is what you should have done in the first place. I am TELLING YOU NOW - Let it go!
15 minutes ago · Edited · Like · 3
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Maxine Levy Bob, as an administrator you want to know what I think. Let it go and really sometimes it is no one's business what I think. KBL is for the members.
9 minutes ago · Like · 1
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Bill Pelland Bob Walker One thing you have to realize is that while David Allen is a new admin he (Like I) are long time members of KBL. Kathy Harbaugh and Maxine Levy have entrusted us with this responsibility and we have their full backing and faith. When one of us speak, we speak for all.
about a minute ago · Like · 1
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Bob Walker QUOTE
Your [Personal Message] message will go to Maxine's Other folder because you aren't connected to her on Facebook. See More
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a few seconds ago · Like
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And these PMS


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Conversation started today
Bill Pelland
10:47am
Bill Pelland
I've asked you nicely to drop this - Please comply.  I am an admin for KBL.
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Bob Walker
11:03am
Bob Walker
"Kick Butt Liberals FB page pledges to the members in providing a forum which is comfortable for all members."
That joke made me, and I'm sure, other people uncomfortable. 
I'm sorry you can't accept that someone would disagree with you.
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Bill Pelland
11:05am
Bill Pelland
Your [sic] out of here!
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Bob Walker
11:06am
Bob Walker
LOL.
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Bill Pelland
11:10am
Bill Pelland
My initial PM:  I've asked you nicely to drop this - Please comply.  I am an admin for KBL.
Bob Walker
11:14am
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Bob Walker
>>My initial PM
So?  Do you think I will immediately look at the PM's I receive
I will likely post the exchanges on my wall for folks to see KBL's "sense of humor" and willingness to accept criticism.
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